Disc brakes - Cyclocross Magazine2024-03-28T07:55:25Zhttps://cowbell.cxmagazine.com/forum/topics/1198434:Topic:1713?commentId=1198434%3AComment%3A20978&x=1&feed=yes&xn_auth=noMr. Bill,
I agree.
While di…tag:cowbell.cxmagazine.com,2008-12-10:1198434:Comment:209782008-12-10T22:13:36.235ZJoshhttps://cowbell.cxmagazine.com/profile/JoshPatterson
Mr. Bill,<br />
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I agree.<br />
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While discs may be overkill and there is a weight penalty, I think weighing the pros and cons of using them is best left to riders, not the UCI. Riders should have the ability to decide what works best for them.<br />
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And like I wrote above, while pros riders may not use discs — <i>I know several who would use discs if given the chance btw.</i> I think discs make the most sense for clydesdales, weekend warriors and recreational riders who are more concerned with all-weather…
Mr. Bill,<br />
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I agree.<br />
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While discs may be overkill and there is a weight penalty, I think weighing the pros and cons of using them is best left to riders, not the UCI. Riders should have the ability to decide what works best for them.<br />
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And like I wrote above, while pros riders may not use discs — <i>I know several who would use discs if given the chance btw.</i> I think discs make the most sense for clydesdales, weekend warriors and recreational riders who are more concerned with all-weather braking and low maintenance than counting grams.<br />
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If the UCI does permit the use of discs in the near future, I think it's possible we will see a new crop of CX-specific mechanical disc brakes that trade a modicum of stopping power for lighter weight — still more power than canti's or linear pull brakes and with the consistent performance riders expect from discs. As a newbie to the cross scen…tag:cowbell.cxmagazine.com,2008-12-10:1198434:Comment:209752008-12-10T21:34:00.577ZMr Billhttps://cowbell.cxmagazine.com/profile/MrBill
As a newbie to the cross scene, I have often wondered why disc brakes are not legal. Coming from a motorcycle background, running cantilever brakes is essentially the same thing as running drum brakes versus disc brakes on a motorcycle or car. Huge difference! While discs may be overkill for some, personally I at least want the option of having brakes that work in the mud (as opposed to my cantis that just keep on rolling). I do realize the weight disadvantage involved, but hey - I am never…
As a newbie to the cross scene, I have often wondered why disc brakes are not legal. Coming from a motorcycle background, running cantilever brakes is essentially the same thing as running drum brakes versus disc brakes on a motorcycle or car. Huge difference! While discs may be overkill for some, personally I at least want the option of having brakes that work in the mud (as opposed to my cantis that just keep on rolling). I do realize the weight disadvantage involved, but hey - I am never going to be Trebon, Johnson, or Sven Nys. Advance with the times - disc brakes should be legal for ALL cyclocross races. I'm not a cyclocross expert,…tag:cowbell.cxmagazine.com,2008-08-02:1198434:Comment:51232008-08-02T12:00:09.897Zfatmarchttps://cowbell.cxmagazine.com/profile/faticus
I'm not a cyclocross expert, but I did stay at a holiday inn express last night.<br />
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I have disc brakes on my mtb, I love them.<br />
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Mark, ever the dashing, nailed it. Disc brakes are just overkill for cyclocross. There is no doubt that the disk brake provides the best stopping power, but that power isn't needed in a cross race. I'd venture to say that staying off the breaks and keeping your momentum rolling are some hardest things to learn, and keys to getting fast. I'm still working on not over…
I'm not a cyclocross expert, but I did stay at a holiday inn express last night.<br />
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I have disc brakes on my mtb, I love them.<br />
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Mark, ever the dashing, nailed it. Disc brakes are just overkill for cyclocross. There is no doubt that the disk brake provides the best stopping power, but that power isn't needed in a cross race. I'd venture to say that staying off the breaks and keeping your momentum rolling are some hardest things to learn, and keys to getting fast. I'm still working on not over braking. Dear god with Discs I'd be doing track stands on the course.<br />
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thanks for the insight from both Mark and Christine.<br />
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respect<br />
faticus<br />
<a href="http://www.fatmarc.com">www.fatmarc.com</a> I've got the frogs too. There…tag:cowbell.cxmagazine.com,2008-08-01:1198434:Comment:50502008-08-01T04:22:14.115ZCincicycleshttps://cowbell.cxmagazine.com/profile/Michael
I've got the frogs too. There are no mud issues, even thought I am starting to lean towards the Crank Brother's Candy lineup. The do feel a little more solid when you are clipped in. The frogs have a lot of float.
I've got the frogs too. There are no mud issues, even thought I am starting to lean towards the Crank Brother's Candy lineup. The do feel a little more solid when you are clipped in. The frogs have a lot of float. i saw a custom de salvo at a…tag:cowbell.cxmagazine.com,2008-06-04:1198434:Comment:27682008-06-04T03:13:37.004Zjeremybhttps://cowbell.cxmagazine.com/profile/jeremyb
i saw a custom de salvo at a cross crusade race that had a disc front and canti rear.<br />
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If i was to put together another cross bike, id put a disc fork on it and do the same. Makes sense in that the front brake does a large majority of the braking.<br />
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Boosts the weight, but you get extreme braking power.
i saw a custom de salvo at a cross crusade race that had a disc front and canti rear.<br />
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If i was to put together another cross bike, id put a disc fork on it and do the same. Makes sense in that the front brake does a large majority of the braking.<br />
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Boosts the weight, but you get extreme braking power. Any issue with safety? Those…tag:cowbell.cxmagazine.com,2008-06-03:1198434:Comment:27312008-06-03T14:11:38.969ZSurly Bastardhttps://cowbell.cxmagazine.com/profile/SurlyBastard
Any issue with safety? Those things look like pizza-slicers to me. And a shouldered bike on a crowded first lap run-up? Hey it's not like I never got a wheel in my chops before. If the UCI does legalize discs they'll probably mandate retractable guards like power saws so the set up will weigh like 15 pounds.<br />
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I'm not old school, but I just can't see discs for cross. Great on a mtb, but not my cross bike. (Or how about hydraulic brakes on a road bike in a crit? Wouldn't that be fun?) But I do…
Any issue with safety? Those things look like pizza-slicers to me. And a shouldered bike on a crowded first lap run-up? Hey it's not like I never got a wheel in my chops before. If the UCI does legalize discs they'll probably mandate retractable guards like power saws so the set up will weigh like 15 pounds.<br />
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I'm not old school, but I just can't see discs for cross. Great on a mtb, but not my cross bike. (Or how about hydraulic brakes on a road bike in a crit? Wouldn't that be fun?) But I do agree the commuter market could really benefit.<br />
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Maintaining a ban on discs also gives the UCI something to do. Given more free time who knows ? Just be thankful we don't HAVE to use downtube shifters ... not that there's anything wrong with that ... Aside from having to change a…tag:cowbell.cxmagazine.com,2008-06-02:1198434:Comment:26722008-06-02T16:45:08.985ZKiwimarkhttps://cowbell.cxmagazine.com/profile/Kiwimark
Aside from having to change all of the frames and forks over to Disc brake compatibility the other issue is changing some expensive wheels or hubs (lots of wheel rebuilds) over to a mechanical disc. Mechanical disc brakes have very little modulation in their action which is a very strong reason why you don't see them on any pro mountain bike setups or off the rack highend mtb's.<br />
The other issue is brake power. Cyclocross racing doesn't have the high speed hard braking sections you have in MTB…
Aside from having to change all of the frames and forks over to Disc brake compatibility the other issue is changing some expensive wheels or hubs (lots of wheel rebuilds) over to a mechanical disc. Mechanical disc brakes have very little modulation in their action which is a very strong reason why you don't see them on any pro mountain bike setups or off the rack highend mtb's.<br />
The other issue is brake power. Cyclocross racing doesn't have the high speed hard braking sections you have in MTB racing. The longest descent in a cyclocross race could be 20-30secs at most compared to MTB racing which if you race around here in Colorado it could be 20mins. The longest braking time of maximal force is generally 10secs in the majority of races. That doesn't mean you won't be dropping down a long hill on the brakes but the maximal force you use is a very short time period.<br />
As for the UCI and riding disc brakes during training they are concerned with riders on disc brakes training on the World Cup races or other large UCI races.<br />
Disc brakes are not going to happen with the UCI the market force or the ground level cyclocross market. I think I saw two bikes with disc brakes at the races last season (don't reply telling me you saw three guys in your category last year because three guys aren't going to keep the local store in business... provocative eh!)<br />
So what's really the next big thing in cyclocross??<br />
Sram chains that don't break?<br />
Mike Kluge finally changes his name to Hasselhoff... That makes sense - general mu…tag:cowbell.cxmagazine.com,2008-05-19:1198434:Comment:18752008-05-19T07:36:22.729Zandrewhttps://cowbell.cxmagazine.com/profile/cyclocross
That makes sense - general mud issues as opposed to one specific mud problem (clearance, shifting, pedals, weight). Disc brakes therefore would only potentially solve the clearance issue.<br />
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Speedplay frogs huh? Interesting. What do you like about them? Anyone else in the pros using them? Pedals are so personal...
That makes sense - general mud issues as opposed to one specific mud problem (clearance, shifting, pedals, weight). Disc brakes therefore would only potentially solve the clearance issue.<br />
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Speedplay frogs huh? Interesting. What do you like about them? Anyone else in the pros using them? Pedals are so personal... Hi andrew:
We come into the p…tag:cowbell.cxmagazine.com,2008-05-18:1198434:Comment:18512008-05-18T16:52:30.725ZChristine "Peanut" Vardaroshttps://cowbell.cxmagazine.com/profile/ChristinePeanutVardaros
Hi andrew:<br />
We come into the pits sometimes for flat tires or mechanicals, but mostly for the mud. It can add an exorbitant amount of weight to the bike, but even more troublesome is when it interferes with tire clearance, shifting and the ability to clip into the pedals. I use speedplay frogs so i usually can get into my pedals simply with a smack to the pedals with my foot - at most. Sometimes we'll realize we have the wrong tire pressure or even the wrong tires for the terrain since often…
Hi andrew:<br />
We come into the pits sometimes for flat tires or mechanicals, but mostly for the mud. It can add an exorbitant amount of weight to the bike, but even more troublesome is when it interferes with tire clearance, shifting and the ability to clip into the pedals. I use speedplay frogs so i usually can get into my pedals simply with a smack to the pedals with my foot - at most. Sometimes we'll realize we have the wrong tire pressure or even the wrong tires for the terrain since often times the course will change due to rain or the earlier 'category races' changing the terrain. After riding by the pit and yelling our needs, on the next round we will come into the pit to get the more appropriate tire/pressure setup.<br />
For the select FEW, they may change bikes on the last lap just before the finish to show off a clean bike as they zoom in for the win. Or sometimes the riders will grab their bike with slicks on if they think it will come to a sprint finish (a rare occurrence, though.)<br />
Hope this helps!<br />
A bit more than 4 LONG months left until playtime! I am a former mtb racer so i…tag:cowbell.cxmagazine.com,2008-05-18:1198434:Comment:18482008-05-18T16:43:35.975ZChristine "Peanut" Vardaroshttps://cowbell.cxmagazine.com/profile/ChristinePeanutVardaros
I am a former mtb racer so i have no problems with disc brakes because they are from the mtb world. But with some mtb disc brake setups i've seen, you have to put the wheel in perfectly straight otherwise the disc will hit the brake pad.<br />
Other than the fact that it is illegal to enter a uci race with disc brakes, I am a bit hesitant about their strength - they are just too strong. With cantilevers it is very difficult to lock up the brake. This is good thing for my riding for safety sake as…
I am a former mtb racer so i have no problems with disc brakes because they are from the mtb world. But with some mtb disc brake setups i've seen, you have to put the wheel in perfectly straight otherwise the disc will hit the brake pad.<br />
Other than the fact that it is illegal to enter a uci race with disc brakes, I am a bit hesitant about their strength - they are just too strong. With cantilevers it is very difficult to lock up the brake. This is good thing for my riding for safety sake as well as for effectiveness since i can't really slow the bike down too much, making my re-acceleration not as exhausting.<br />
I am a little less decided on top mount lever brakes, though...