"Heart Rate Data" or "Cross is freakin hard" - Cyclocross Magazine2024-03-28T18:10:36Zhttps://cowbell.cxmagazine.com/forum/topics/1198434:Topic:8704?commentId=1198434%3AComment%3A8747&xg_raw_resources=1&feed=yes&xn_auth=noMy HRM is a Garmin Edge 305.…tag:cowbell.cxmagazine.com,2008-09-21:1198434:Comment:99122008-09-21T21:49:11.133Znodealhttps://cowbell.cxmagazine.com/profile/Cameron
My HRM is a Garmin Edge 305. I used Garmin's Motionbased website to generate the graphs.
My HRM is a Garmin Edge 305. I used Garmin's Motionbased website to generate the graphs. What'd you (original poster)…tag:cowbell.cxmagazine.com,2008-09-21:1198434:Comment:98812008-09-21T14:27:19.816Zbolangehttps://cowbell.cxmagazine.com/profile/bolange
What'd you (original poster) use to capture that data? My current computer only captures max/avg/time-in-zones but your much more robust dataset makes my inner geek lust...
What'd you (original poster) use to capture that data? My current computer only captures max/avg/time-in-zones but your much more robust dataset makes my inner geek lust... Give us some more info, how d…tag:cowbell.cxmagazine.com,2008-09-19:1198434:Comment:94022008-09-19T18:29:29.756Zmorganhttps://cowbell.cxmagazine.com/profile/morgan
Give us some more info, how does that compare to your threshold, max, etc?<br />
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My threshold is around 165ish usually, max is somewhere just shy of 180. Pure bpm numbers don't translate person-to-person.<br />
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I picked up my puppy the other day when she was chasing our cat. I felt her heartbeat and it felt like an engine running. It depends on the animal.<br />
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Morgan
Give us some more info, how does that compare to your threshold, max, etc?<br />
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My threshold is around 165ish usually, max is somewhere just shy of 180. Pure bpm numbers don't translate person-to-person.<br />
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I picked up my puppy the other day when she was chasing our cat. I felt her heartbeat and it felt like an engine running. It depends on the animal.<br />
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Morgan I wore my monitor last night…tag:cowbell.cxmagazine.com,2008-09-19:1198434:Comment:92762008-09-19T03:21:00.945ZAlbinohttps://cowbell.cxmagazine.com/profile/CraigPiburn
I wore my monitor last night at the clinic. After an hour of clinic work and one lap warm up I turned on the monitor. Granted this was not a race so take the info for whats it's worth. I rode great for 30 min, then let up for 5 and the rode another good ten minutes. I started getting sloppy at the end so I stopped.<br />
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Avg 187bpm<br />
Max 197bpm<br />
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I'm 31, 5'7" 135#
I wore my monitor last night at the clinic. After an hour of clinic work and one lap warm up I turned on the monitor. Granted this was not a race so take the info for whats it's worth. I rode great for 30 min, then let up for 5 and the rode another good ten minutes. I started getting sloppy at the end so I stopped.<br />
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Avg 187bpm<br />
Max 197bpm<br />
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I'm 31, 5'7" 135# "the maximum amount of effort…tag:cowbell.cxmagazine.com,2008-09-17:1198434:Comment:90242008-09-17T13:51:34.574ZMMDChttps://cowbell.cxmagazine.com/profile/MMDC
"the maximum amount of effort you can sustain for a period of time."<br />
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This should read 'the maximum <b>sustained</b> amount of effort'.<br />
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Maintaining a consistent steady effort varies greatly from what you'll do in a cross race where there are many, many accelerations and recoveries. Relative to heart rate, these accelerations and recoveries will cause you to be over threshold for the entire race. I know that I am consistently 3-4 beats over threshold for any given cross race under normal…
"the maximum amount of effort you can sustain for a period of time."<br />
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This should read 'the maximum <b>sustained</b> amount of effort'.<br />
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Maintaining a consistent steady effort varies greatly from what you'll do in a cross race where there are many, many accelerations and recoveries. Relative to heart rate, these accelerations and recoveries will cause you to be over threshold for the entire race. I know that I am consistently 3-4 beats over threshold for any given cross race under normal conditions. With a threshold of 173, I would never be able to hold 176 for the duration of a steady TT. Cross racing is essentially one long vo2max effort and you should find yourself in that 5a heart rate zone.<br />
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Nodeal - you might want to retest your threshold again though. It's still likely that 170 is low for you, you might be able to dig a little deeper this time. Knowing your threshold is critical to know how hard to base your efforts in training.<br />
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Mike Urgh.tag:cowbell.cxmagazine.com,2008-09-16:1198434:Comment:88792008-09-16T14:45:45.323ZZachhttps://cowbell.cxmagazine.com/profile/Zach
<a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_0WM9N71oC_w/SM-96hnYOoI/AAAAAAAAAEk/ywxii4kGbNY/s1600-h/heartrate+ovcx.jpg">Urgh.</a>
<a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_0WM9N71oC_w/SM-96hnYOoI/AAAAAAAAAEk/ywxii4kGbNY/s1600-h/heartrate+ovcx.jpg">Urgh.</a> My race last weekend was simi…tag:cowbell.cxmagazine.com,2008-09-16:1198434:Comment:88032008-09-16T01:38:18.209ZScotthttps://cowbell.cxmagazine.com/profile/Scott
My race last weekend was similar, my LT (last I checked) was about 170, but ran an avg of 180 for 45 mins peaking at 191 (max) for the finish. I'm going to get an official LT re-test this week...my guess is that it's slightly higher and I should adjust the training respectively.<br />
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Charts from the race...<br />
<img src="http://trail.motionbased.com/trail/chart/meter.mb?heartZoneChart=true&applicationUnitContextDescription=distance&measurementModifierKey=sum&chartRequest.plotOrientationToVertical=true&chartRequest.legendVisible=true&chartRequest.pieChart=true&episodePk.pkValue=6769189&chartRequest.plotForegroundOpacity=0.75&chartRequest.autoFit=true&chartRequest.width=340&chartRequest.height=227"/><br />
<img src="http://trail.motionbased.com/trail/chart/get.mb?xy.domain=totalDistance&xy.ranges=heartRate&xy.ranges=elevation&xy.histogram=false&xy.legendVisible=false&xy.primaryRangeAxisVisible=true&xy.secondaryRangeAxisVisible=true&xy.rangeTitlesVisible=true&xy.domainAxisVisible=true&xy.plotForegroundOpacity=0.75&episodePk.pkValue=6769189&xy.plotForegroundOpacity=0.75&xy.autoFit=true&xy.width=340&xy.height=227"/>
My race last weekend was similar, my LT (last I checked) was about 170, but ran an avg of 180 for 45 mins peaking at 191 (max) for the finish. I'm going to get an official LT re-test this week...my guess is that it's slightly higher and I should adjust the training respectively.<br />
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Charts from the race...<br />
<img src="http://trail.motionbased.com/trail/chart/meter.mb?heartZoneChart=true&applicationUnitContextDescription=distance&measurementModifierKey=sum&chartRequest.plotOrientationToVertical=true&chartRequest.legendVisible=true&chartRequest.pieChart=true&episodePk.pkValue=6769189&chartRequest.plotForegroundOpacity=0.75&chartRequest.autoFit=true&chartRequest.width=340&chartRequest.height=227"/><br />
<img src="http://trail.motionbased.com/trail/chart/get.mb?xy.domain=totalDistance&xy.ranges=heartRate&xy.ranges=elevation&xy.histogram=false&xy.legendVisible=false&xy.primaryRangeAxisVisible=true&xy.secondaryRangeAxisVisible=true&xy.rangeTitlesVisible=true&xy.domainAxisVisible=true&xy.plotForegroundOpacity=0.75&episodePk.pkValue=6769189&xy.plotForegroundOpacity=0.75&xy.autoFit=true&xy.width=340&xy.height=227"/> Just for grins, here's the ma…tag:cowbell.cxmagazine.com,2008-09-16:1198434:Comment:87892008-09-16T00:28:14.557Zmorganhttps://cowbell.cxmagazine.com/profile/morgan
Just for grins, here's the max and average heart rates for my last 29 cx races:<br />
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171.0 163.0<br />
170.0 162.0<br />
172.0 164.0<br />
171.0 163.0<br />
170.0 161.0<br />
172.0 163.0<br />
174.0 164.0<br />
170.0 160.0<br />
173.0 161.0<br />
169.0 158.0<br />
170.0 108.0<br />
177.0 168.0<br />
172.0 164.0<br />
171.0 138.0<br />
173.0 163.0<br />
174.0 164.0<br />
172.0 147.0<br />
176.0 165.0<br />
172.0 142.0<br />
172.0 164.0<br />
172.0 168.0<br />
171.0 163.0<br />
176.0 167.0<br />
171.0 166.0<br />
176.0 167.0<br />
177.0 161.0<br />
133.0 118.0<br />
174.0 166.0<br />
174.0 156.0<br />
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My max is somewhere around 178bpm. If I'm healthy and rested my HR…
Just for grins, here's the max and average heart rates for my last 29 cx races:<br />
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171.0 163.0<br />
170.0 162.0<br />
172.0 164.0<br />
171.0 163.0<br />
170.0 161.0<br />
172.0 163.0<br />
174.0 164.0<br />
170.0 160.0<br />
173.0 161.0<br />
169.0 158.0<br />
170.0 108.0<br />
177.0 168.0<br />
172.0 164.0<br />
171.0 138.0<br />
173.0 163.0<br />
174.0 164.0<br />
172.0 147.0<br />
176.0 165.0<br />
172.0 142.0<br />
172.0 164.0<br />
172.0 168.0<br />
171.0 163.0<br />
176.0 167.0<br />
171.0 166.0<br />
176.0 167.0<br />
177.0 161.0<br />
133.0 118.0<br />
174.0 166.0<br />
174.0 156.0<br />
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My max is somewhere around 178bpm. If I'm healthy and rested my HR usually does end up averaging about the same, every time. The two numbers averaged 171.2 and 157.7 over all the races. (Some races were aberrations in more ways than one.)<br />
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It's a good race if my speed and hr are fairly flat start to finish, and I can finish with a kick. Just from your data, it looks like you had a good race, nodeal.<br />
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You can see my cx races at <a href="http://morganfletcher.motionbased.com">http://morganfletcher.motionbased.com</a><br />
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Morgan I'm more familiar with measur…tag:cowbell.cxmagazine.com,2008-09-16:1198434:Comment:87872008-09-16T00:18:34.407Zmorganhttps://cowbell.cxmagazine.com/profile/morgan
I'm more familiar with measuring threshold by wattage than by HR, but I think the definition of threshold is "the maximum amount of effort you can sustain for a period of time." The "period of time" is usually an hour, in the wattage world. The thing about threshold is that once you spend time above it, you tend to fall apart, but you can surf the line for a fairly long time. Trained athletes can "burn matches", that is, spend chunks of time above threshold, but usually you fall apart after…
I'm more familiar with measuring threshold by wattage than by HR, but I think the definition of threshold is "the maximum amount of effort you can sustain for a period of time." The "period of time" is usually an hour, in the wattage world. The thing about threshold is that once you spend time above it, you tend to fall apart, but you can surf the line for a fairly long time. Trained athletes can "burn matches", that is, spend chunks of time above threshold, but usually you fall apart after doing that a few times, i.e. you only get so many bullets. You were able to hold a steady speed and even accelerate at the end. I think you've pretty much demonstrated your threshold - at least on that day - was 189bpm. I say "at least on that day", because HR can be really variable with sleep, caffeine, fitness, stress, health, fatigue. It's definitely not 170bpm, although maybe the running made a difference? You can't turn yourself inside out for 20min at 189bpm on the road?<br />
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Don't want to sound like a zealot, but wattage meters are nice for this sort of thing, training on the road. Doesn't matter how you feel, 300w is 300w.<br />
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Morgan I don't think so. The power p…tag:cowbell.cxmagazine.com,2008-09-15:1198434:Comment:87712008-09-15T21:25:45.053ZChrishttps://cowbell.cxmagazine.com/profile/Chris67
I don't think so. The power profiles of cross races look much more like criteriums than they do time-trials. You are on the gas off the gas then back on the gas. You are getting an average of your zone 32 efforts and whatever effort you can come back to and survive which is often your threshold or just below. Beyond that, you have that whole adrenaline thing going. Max Testa, no less, told me that you can expect a 10+beat increase per zone during races compared to training based on adrenaline…
I don't think so. The power profiles of cross races look much more like criteriums than they do time-trials. You are on the gas off the gas then back on the gas. You are getting an average of your zone 32 efforts and whatever effort you can come back to and survive which is often your threshold or just below. Beyond that, you have that whole adrenaline thing going. Max Testa, no less, told me that you can expect a 10+beat increase per zone during races compared to training based on adrenaline alone. Then you have weather, cardiac drift, and on and on.