carbon wheels for cross - Cyclocross Magazine2024-03-29T14:41:08Zhttps://cowbell.cxmagazine.com/forum/topics/carbon-wheels-for-cross?commentId=1198434%3AComment%3A49782&feed=yes&xn_auth=nohey Chiva
Your right if you a…tag:cowbell.cxmagazine.com,2010-01-14:1198434:Comment:499302010-01-14T16:47:54.704ZDan Davishttps://cowbell.cxmagazine.com/profile/DanDavis
hey Chiva<br />
Your right if you are new to the sport stick with the basics and clinchers would be that. but if you’re like me and have been in the sport of cross since 1990 and I’m as fast as I’m going to be(I’m 52) then going for carbon wheels may pick up our game a bit.<br />
I’m up here in Oregon and you would be surprised at how many guys in the men’s C field are running edge carbon wheel. I figure is you have the money ride what you want, will it put you on the top step? Most likely no but you sure…
hey Chiva<br />
Your right if you are new to the sport stick with the basics and clinchers would be that. but if you’re like me and have been in the sport of cross since 1990 and I’m as fast as I’m going to be(I’m 52) then going for carbon wheels may pick up our game a bit.<br />
I’m up here in Oregon and you would be surprised at how many guys in the men’s C field are running edge carbon wheel. I figure is you have the money ride what you want, will it put you on the top step? Most likely no but you sure will look fast!<br />
Dan…<br />
P.S. I started racing cross down your way in Santa Rosa. I was on the podium several t…tag:cowbell.cxmagazine.com,2010-01-14:1198434:Comment:499292010-01-14T07:00:18.204Zcxchivahttps://cowbell.cxmagazine.com/profile/cxchiva
I was on the podium several times this year with a tubeless setup. Not one guy that finished in front of me had carbon rims or for that matter tubular tires. Personally I think it's kinda rediculous for someone new to the sport to think that they have to have all the cool shit to do well. And let's face it, matching an attack comes down to fitness, not what kind of tire you got.
I was on the podium several times this year with a tubeless setup. Not one guy that finished in front of me had carbon rims or for that matter tubular tires. Personally I think it's kinda rediculous for someone new to the sport to think that they have to have all the cool shit to do well. And let's face it, matching an attack comes down to fitness, not what kind of tire you got. hey Andrew.
well my banker ga…tag:cowbell.cxmagazine.com,2010-01-12:1198434:Comment:499222010-01-12T18:20:00.832ZDan Davishttps://cowbell.cxmagazine.com/profile/DanDavis
hey Andrew.<br />
well my banker gave me the go for a set of the C50 from neuvation for summer use and cross, and then closer to Cross season 2010 i'll also get a set or the R tubulars for the muddy days.<br />
thanks everybody for all the input on this i can't wait to give them a go next cross season!<br />
Dan...
hey Andrew.<br />
well my banker gave me the go for a set of the C50 from neuvation for summer use and cross, and then closer to Cross season 2010 i'll also get a set or the R tubulars for the muddy days.<br />
thanks everybody for all the input on this i can't wait to give them a go next cross season!<br />
Dan... hey guys,
just chiming in he…tag:cowbell.cxmagazine.com,2010-01-09:1198434:Comment:497982010-01-09T06:06:00.680Zandrewhttps://cowbell.cxmagazine.com/profile/cyclocross
hey guys,<br />
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just chiming in here with a few random comments, great discussion:<br />
1) sven nys definitely rides carbon tubulars - he's riding the new shimano dura ace c35 wheels, which weigh about 1240 grams. we've got his full bike profile here: <a href="%20http://cxmagazine.com/pro-bike-profile-sven-nys-colnago-cross-prestige" target="_blank">http://cxmagazine.com/pro-bike-profile-sven-nys-colnago-cross-prestige</a><br />
but here's the wheel:<br />
<p style="text-align:left"><img src="http://cxmagazine.com/wp-content/gallery/sven-nys-colnago-bike-profile/4119445100_c34eb3b116_b.jpg"></img></p>
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2) we've got a…
hey guys,<br />
<br />
just chiming in here with a few random comments, great discussion:<br />
1) sven nys definitely rides carbon tubulars - he's riding the new shimano dura ace c35 wheels, which weigh about 1240 grams. we've got his full bike profile here: <a href="%20http://cxmagazine.com/pro-bike-profile-sven-nys-colnago-cross-prestige" target="_blank">http://cxmagazine.com/pro-bike-profile-sven-nys-colnago-cross-prestige</a><br />
but here's the wheel:<br />
<p style="text-align:left"><img src="http://cxmagazine.com/wp-content/gallery/sven-nys-colnago-bike-profile/4119445100_c34eb3b116_b.jpg"/></p>
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2) we've got a ton of wheel reviews in Issue 8, finally mailing shortly.<br />
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3) the rims can hold up pretty well. the biggest problem I've seen this season are spokes pulling through or nipples breaking, both on wheel models with exposed nipples.<br />
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4) gluing can take a little more diligence when you're going carbon - partly because of the surface and also because of the new shapes you're seeing<br />
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5) the rims aren't that light, with the exception of edge's superlight low profile rim that they don't recommend for cx, unless you're jonathan page and get a special set built for you! the main weight savings are from less spokes that the rim allows. often wheels come with very light hubs too, so that's some of the weight savings.<br />
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6) as you may have read in issue 7, we're highly skeptical of deep rim's sand-shedding ability.<br />
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7) if you race road/tts or tris you have double the justification to pick up fancy carbon hoops, as the aerodynamics can be really compelling!<br />
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good luck dan, let us know what you decide on. Just to be clear, if there is…tag:cowbell.cxmagazine.com,2010-01-08:1198434:Comment:497942010-01-08T21:21:05.418ZDennishttps://cowbell.cxmagazine.com/profile/Dennis
Just to be clear, if there is one religious debate in cycling I feel strongly about it is that tubulars for cross are superior to clinchers. the low pressure, lack of pinch flats and additional traction with super-supple casings is hard to deny (although as with any religious debate i'm sure some will). On every other bike I own I run clinchers but I would never go back on my cross bike. I'm simply commenting on using a single wheelset for cross during the winter and road during the summer. You…
Just to be clear, if there is one religious debate in cycling I feel strongly about it is that tubulars for cross are superior to clinchers. the low pressure, lack of pinch flats and additional traction with super-supple casings is hard to deny (although as with any religious debate i'm sure some will). On every other bike I own I run clinchers but I would never go back on my cross bike. I'm simply commenting on using a single wheelset for cross during the winter and road during the summer. You can certainly do it - I'm just not sure that the cost savings outweighs the extra work. And yes, it is recommended to re-glue your tires every year but my take is if the glue job is still solid, i'm not going to mess with it. Of course that leads to a great forums question - how many people remove tubular tires for the summer and re-glue and how many just leave them for next season? I could be totally wrong on that and just haven't had the massive mechanical to get me to change my ways. Oh, and when i said tape - i meant belgian tape NOT tufo tape. I'm sure Tufo tape is fine for some applications but I have heard nothing but horror stories on a cross bike. I have followed Stu Thornes recommendations on gluing and have not had any issues. Rock solid. hey Dennis
it's really no pro…tag:cowbell.cxmagazine.com,2010-01-08:1198434:Comment:497902010-01-08T18:28:32.448ZDan Davishttps://cowbell.cxmagazine.com/profile/DanDavis
hey Dennis<br />
it's really no prob to glue and reglue tire, in fact to look at Velonews.com today on the tech page it's on taking off cross tubulars for the summer. plus gluing sawup's always makes me feel like a real cyclist!<br />
i have had sawups in the past and really liked them so this will be my second go at it. i had used tufo tape last time and it turn out it's not the best thinkg to use. so i would not let that stop you.<br />
dan
hey Dennis<br />
it's really no prob to glue and reglue tire, in fact to look at Velonews.com today on the tech page it's on taking off cross tubulars for the summer. plus gluing sawup's always makes me feel like a real cyclist!<br />
i have had sawups in the past and really liked them so this will be my second go at it. i had used tufo tape last time and it turn out it's not the best thinkg to use. so i would not let that stop you.<br />
dan the biggest hurdle for me wou…tag:cowbell.cxmagazine.com,2010-01-08:1198434:Comment:497892010-01-08T18:17:29.875ZDennishttps://cowbell.cxmagazine.com/profile/Dennis
the biggest hurdle for me would be re-gluing for each season. it is as big a pain as you have probably read, especially getting the tires off, cleaning everything up to an acceptable level and then gluing on the new tires. i'm not sure it would be worth saving $400 to not just buy another set of wheels especially with the cost of glue, tape, good chance of damaging expensive tires during removal so they are not reusable and not least of all time. after all the work to get those nice typhoons…
the biggest hurdle for me would be re-gluing for each season. it is as big a pain as you have probably read, especially getting the tires off, cleaning everything up to an acceptable level and then gluing on the new tires. i'm not sure it would be worth saving $400 to not just buy another set of wheels especially with the cost of glue, tape, good chance of damaging expensive tires during removal so they are not reusable and not least of all time. after all the work to get those nice typhoons glued up and rock solid i would have a hard time ripping them off knowing i'd just be gluing them up again in 6 months. I'll ask a related question..…tag:cowbell.cxmagazine.com,2010-01-08:1198434:Comment:497882010-01-08T16:02:35.305ZGrant Stevenshttps://cowbell.cxmagazine.com/profile/GrantStevens
I'll ask a related question...<br />
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I'm new to cross after a long time spent racing road. I've heard that tubie is the way to go for cross, so am considering some. I can get alloy tubies for <$400 as Dennis mentioned. Or I can get Neuvation carbon tubies for $600 or Williams for $1000. The advantage with the carbon option is that I could have aero wheels for the quiver of road wheels. So I guess the ultimate question [for me, perhaps not for Dan's original post] is if one is going to buy a set…
I'll ask a related question...<br />
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I'm new to cross after a long time spent racing road. I've heard that tubie is the way to go for cross, so am considering some. I can get alloy tubies for <$400 as Dennis mentioned. Or I can get Neuvation carbon tubies for $600 or Williams for $1000. The advantage with the carbon option is that I could have aero wheels for the quiver of road wheels. So I guess the ultimate question [for me, perhaps not for Dan's original post] is if one is going to buy a set of tubies, are the carbon wheels good enough for cross that they can be doubled up for the road season, or should one stick to alloy tubies for cross and treat them as cross-only?<br />
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Thanks,<br />
Grant every rolled tire i have seen…tag:cowbell.cxmagazine.com,2010-01-08:1198434:Comment:497862010-01-08T14:53:13.585ZDennishttps://cowbell.cxmagazine.com/profile/Dennis
every rolled tire i have seen over the last three years of racing has been on carbon tubulars. clearly how you glue is critical but there are some good write ups showing that glue does not stick as well to carbon as it does to metal. width of gluing surface has a big effect as well (hence why new zipp 303s being wider is a good thing). little 19 mm wide rims just don't hold glue as well as a 23-25mm wide rims. not sure why you would drop > $1000 ( >$2000 for zipp 303s) on carbon tubulars…
every rolled tire i have seen over the last three years of racing has been on carbon tubulars. clearly how you glue is critical but there are some good write ups showing that glue does not stick as well to carbon as it does to metal. width of gluing surface has a big effect as well (hence why new zipp 303s being wider is a good thing). little 19 mm wide rims just don't hold glue as well as a 23-25mm wide rims. not sure why you would drop > $1000 ( >$2000 for zipp 303s) on carbon tubulars when you can buy really nice alloy tubulars for under $400. you don't have anywhere near the aero advantage that you do on the road and the cyclocross magazine article was convincing in showing that they don't help in the sand or mud but actually hurt. i haven't done a lot of mud racing so i can say one way or the other on the mud build up point. If you're close to making the…tag:cowbell.cxmagazine.com,2010-01-08:1198434:Comment:497832010-01-08T14:06:11.666ZMatthew McGeehttps://cowbell.cxmagazine.com/profile/MatthewMcGee
If you're close to making the podium it could make a difference. My carbon wheels are a pound(440 grams) lighter than my other set. Then add the tubular tires(I ran Dugast Flying Doctors). It could be the difference in matching some attacks, getting a better start, accelerating out of corners quicker, being able to run a lower tire pressure, take some corners better or quicker, etc. For me it's worth it and the physics is behind it. Add in the placebo effect(priceless) and it could mean be the…
If you're close to making the podium it could make a difference. My carbon wheels are a pound(440 grams) lighter than my other set. Then add the tubular tires(I ran Dugast Flying Doctors). It could be the difference in matching some attacks, getting a better start, accelerating out of corners quicker, being able to run a lower tire pressure, take some corners better or quicker, etc. For me it's worth it and the physics is behind it. Add in the placebo effect(priceless) and it could mean be the difference between a few places or a win and all that cash they give out at cyclocross races(that's a joke by the way....the cash part). Wait, Socalcross did give out enough cash to cover my gas.