Recommend me Tubeless vs. Tubulars for next year - Cyclocross Magazine2024-03-29T16:00:25Zhttps://cowbell.cxmagazine.com/forum/topics/recommend-me-tubeless-vs-tubulars-for-next-year?commentId=1198434%3AComment%3A162582&feed=yes&xn_auth=noHey Marc
Well I’m a big fan o…tag:cowbell.cxmagazine.com,2016-02-18:1198434:Comment:1681432016-02-18T00:29:40.968ZDan Davishttps://cowbell.cxmagazine.com/profile/DanDavis
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt;"><font face="Calibri" size="3">Hey Marc</font></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt;"><font face="Calibri" size="3">Well I’m a big fan of tubulars they just rock, if you go with something like the Neugent cycling A22tw alloy wheelset , 1320 grams and with sapim laser spokes their $395, put some Clement PDX tires on them and your set!!</font></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt;"><font face="Calibri" size="3">I’ve been racing cross since 1991 and a good set of race…</font></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt;"><font face="Calibri" size="3">Hey Marc</font></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt;"><font face="Calibri" size="3">Well I’m a big fan of tubulars they just rock, if you go with something like the Neugent cycling A22tw alloy wheelset , 1320 grams and with sapim laser spokes their $395, put some Clement PDX tires on them and your set!!</font></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt;"><font face="Calibri" size="3">I’ve been racing cross since 1991 and a good set of race wheels is your best use or your money!</font></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt;"><font face="Calibri" size="3">I have a set of Neugent C50 wheels with Clement with MPX for dry to a bit wet races and a set of alloy tubular wheels with PDX’s on them for mud days and I’m set for everything that cross can send my way!</font></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt;"><font face="Calibri" size="3">My two cents.</font></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt;"><font face="Calibri" size="3">Dan…</font></p>
<p></p> What does "Stans are not"- do…tag:cowbell.cxmagazine.com,2016-02-16:1198434:Comment:1677842016-02-16T15:46:20.236ZPat Cusackhttps://cowbell.cxmagazine.com/profile/PatCusack
<p>What does "Stans are not"- do you have a different reim that will work better running tubeless?</p>
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<p>What does "Stans are not"- do you have a different reim that will work better running tubeless?</p>
<p></p> good advice, thanks. And yes,…tag:cowbell.cxmagazine.com,2015-02-17:1198434:Comment:1625822015-02-17T21:53:06.196Ztucker walshhttps://cowbell.cxmagazine.com/profile/tuckerwalsh
<p>good advice, thanks. And yes, i've thought about saving money and just doing latex for the clinchers. I think Challenge has that red tube - rather pricey at 18 bucks a pop. Still the cheap option.</p>
<p>good advice, thanks. And yes, i've thought about saving money and just doing latex for the clinchers. I think Challenge has that red tube - rather pricey at 18 bucks a pop. Still the cheap option.</p> Stan's is dedicated ... they…tag:cowbell.cxmagazine.com,2015-02-17:1198434:Comment:1626662015-02-17T20:31:58.309ZCraig MacIntyrehttps://cowbell.cxmagazine.com/profile/CraigMacIntyre
<p>Stan's is dedicated ... they are the gold standard by which others are measured. The kicker is using their road tubeless rims for cross ... you have to make sure you are careful there. If you use one of their cross specific rims (IC, Valor) you will have many fewer problems.</p>
<p>Tubeless requires some playing to find what works for you. When you find it, it works very well. If you don't then you will hate it. My setup of IronCross rims with Kenda tires was bullet proof. YMMV. …</p>
<p>Stan's is dedicated ... they are the gold standard by which others are measured. The kicker is using their road tubeless rims for cross ... you have to make sure you are careful there. If you use one of their cross specific rims (IC, Valor) you will have many fewer problems.</p>
<p>Tubeless requires some playing to find what works for you. When you find it, it works very well. If you don't then you will hate it. My setup of IronCross rims with Kenda tires was bullet proof. YMMV. DuraAce C24 TL sucked ... some ghetto crap rims with strips were fine if I kept the pressure above 35 which kind of defeats the purpose for cross but were great for gravel.</p>
<p>Remember this - the big argument is tubeless vs tubulars and they both suck :) Both will roll/burp if not set up right. Both can run lower pressure than clinchers. Neither is perfect. I have seen more rolled tubulars than I have seen burped tubeless. On the other hand, if you want cheap and easy - put latex tubes in your clinchers and go crazy ...80% of the performance, 0% of the hassle ...</p> wait, this is super confusing…tag:cowbell.cxmagazine.com,2015-02-17:1198434:Comment:1626632015-02-17T19:55:02.517Ztucker walshhttps://cowbell.cxmagazine.com/profile/tuckerwalsh
<p>wait, this is super confusing to me (as someone possibly moving from clinchers to tubeless). Someone said:</p>
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<p>"1) Use dedicated, engineered to tubeless dimensions, tires and rims. Stans are not.</p>
<p>2) Tubeless WILL burp. My experience was that you will bleed on some of the burps if the tire comes off rim. IF I was using real tubeless set up instead of Stan's rims maybe I would not have bled. maybe."</p>
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<p>Aren't Stan's wheels like their Iron Cross line a "dedicated"…</p>
<p>wait, this is super confusing to me (as someone possibly moving from clinchers to tubeless). Someone said:</p>
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<p>"1) Use dedicated, engineered to tubeless dimensions, tires and rims. Stans are not.</p>
<p>2) Tubeless WILL burp. My experience was that you will bleed on some of the burps if the tire comes off rim. IF I was using real tubeless set up instead of Stan's rims maybe I would not have bled. maybe."</p>
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<p>Aren't Stan's wheels like their Iron Cross line a "dedicated" rim? Stan's isn't a "real tubeless set up?" I figured that's sort of inherent in anything Stan's. It's made for it, no? </p> After two "seasons" of cross,…tag:cowbell.cxmagazine.com,2014-11-17:1198434:Comment:1597372014-11-17T13:28:29.107ZPaulhttps://cowbell.cxmagazine.com/profile/Paul322
<p>After two "seasons" of cross, which for me was 2 races last year and 4 this year, I have had no issues with Kenda Slant Six SCT's mounted on Alpha 400 last year and Crests this year. They have seen singletrack, dirt roads, and the racing. No burps, no leaks, no flats. Looking to get the WTB Cross Boss mounted up for next year and hopefully Kenda comes out with the Happy Medium in an SCT version wider than 32.</p>
<p>After two "seasons" of cross, which for me was 2 races last year and 4 this year, I have had no issues with Kenda Slant Six SCT's mounted on Alpha 400 last year and Crests this year. They have seen singletrack, dirt roads, and the racing. No burps, no leaks, no flats. Looking to get the WTB Cross Boss mounted up for next year and hopefully Kenda comes out with the Happy Medium in an SCT version wider than 32.</p> For $500 you have options out…tag:cowbell.cxmagazine.com,2014-11-17:1198434:Comment:1598812014-11-17T02:40:42.037ZCraig MacIntyrehttps://cowbell.cxmagazine.com/profile/CraigMacIntyre
<p>For $500 you have options out the a$$. I built a set of wheels for my CX bike with Stan's IC rims for $300. With rim brakes you have tons of options - custom wheels are easy if you know somebody who will build them (or you do it yourself). Stan's rims are great for X. </p>
<p>For $500 you have options out the a$$. I built a set of wheels for my CX bike with Stan's IC rims for $300. With rim brakes you have tons of options - custom wheels are easy if you know somebody who will build them (or you do it yourself). Stan's rims are great for X. </p> I've been running Stans Alpha…tag:cowbell.cxmagazine.com,2014-11-17:1198434:Comment:1598012014-11-17T01:45:04.790ZChris Jenningshttps://cowbell.cxmagazine.com/profile/ChrisJennings753
<p>I've been running Stans Alpha 400's and Kenda Happy Mediums front and back with great success so far this season. I'm not using the Alpha rim strip some say you have to. I'm 150 pounds and usually run around 25 or so psi. </p>
<p>I've been running Stans Alpha 400's and Kenda Happy Mediums front and back with great success so far this season. I'm not using the Alpha rim strip some say you have to. I'm 150 pounds and usually run around 25 or so psi. </p> I've been using tubeless on a…tag:cowbell.cxmagazine.com,2014-11-17:1198434:Comment:1599642014-11-17T00:17:20.210ZErik Flinkhttps://cowbell.cxmagazine.com/profile/ErikFlink
<p>I've been using tubeless on all of my bikes for years. No problems whatsoever. Haven't flatted on the road for about three years! My MTB setup has been equally solid, no more pinch flats! I have burped a tire but mostly b/c I was using too low a pressure or crashed. For my CX set up, I'm using Velocity A23's with Vittoria XG TNT tires and Stan's, no problem with set up, never popped a bead in two seasons of racing. I'm 175 lbs and running 24 and 26 psi. I think the key is to get…</p>
<p>I've been using tubeless on all of my bikes for years. No problems whatsoever. Haven't flatted on the road for about three years! My MTB setup has been equally solid, no more pinch flats! I have burped a tire but mostly b/c I was using too low a pressure or crashed. For my CX set up, I'm using Velocity A23's with Vittoria XG TNT tires and Stan's, no problem with set up, never popped a bead in two seasons of racing. I'm 175 lbs and running 24 and 26 psi. I think the key is to get Tubeless compatible tires and rims. You can use non tubeless tires but the side walls are a bit too flexible to run really low pressures. Tubulars are great but I don't need more wheels and tires....... </p> Chris,
For 3 years running I'…tag:cowbell.cxmagazine.com,2014-09-18:1198434:Comment:1572282014-09-18T13:25:50.091Zstickboybikehttps://cowbell.cxmagazine.com/profile/stickboybike
<p>Chris,</p>
<p>For 3 years running I've been using a Road Tubeless wheelset while alternating between the Grifo and the Clement LAS; depending on course conditions. </p>
<p>The rim width on the RT rims is 21mm outside to outside and is a certified Road Tubeless rim not a BST like the Stans set up.</p>
<p>I throw the cx tubes in a gallon zip lock bag of baby powder, give a shake, shake of the excess and install the tube. </p>
<p>Once installed and the tire's bead is in the center channel of…</p>
<p>Chris,</p>
<p>For 3 years running I've been using a Road Tubeless wheelset while alternating between the Grifo and the Clement LAS; depending on course conditions. </p>
<p>The rim width on the RT rims is 21mm outside to outside and is a certified Road Tubeless rim not a BST like the Stans set up.</p>
<p>I throw the cx tubes in a gallon zip lock bag of baby powder, give a shake, shake of the excess and install the tube. </p>
<p>Once installed and the tire's bead is in the center channel of the RT rim, I mix up a solution of dishwashing soap and water-- 50/50 and use a toothbrush to scrub the tire's bead, get it soapy but not flooded out that the tube is wet.</p>
<p>Next I'll inflate the tube to max psi that's listed on the casing. The Grifo is a snug fit on the RT rim so there's some popping going on when the bead seats. I then deflate the tube and bring it up to pressure again, this time to 40psi and let it sit while I wipe off the extra soap on the wheel. </p>
<p>The powder allows the tube to float in side of the tire casing and not get pinched when you bottom out.</p>
<p>I weigh 175-180# and am a 'light rider' for someone that is 6'5" meaning I don't crash into stuff on the course. I will however bottom out on the rim at least three times per lap when running the pressure I noted in the thread above.</p>
<p>I get it that Tubulars are the ideal set up but for many it's simply not in the budget. Tubular riders will tell me, 'Oh yea, you need to get on tubulars man so you can run 26, 27psi!' When I tell them that and they ask if I'm flatting, they're sort of at a loss for words and followup with something about tubular feel of rolling into a corner is more fluid. Yea, yea, I get that and I'm still beating guys on tubulars in my category. Guess I'm just lucky. </p>
<p>I use a set of LAS tires on a set of HED Ardennes LT wheels. Not the Plus wheels. I installed 2 layers of Schwalbe rim tap and then installed the stock HED rim strip. Built up the rim bed for a tight fit. </p>
<p>I did the same procedure with these tires as I did with the Grifos-- powder, soap the bead, pressure setting. </p>
<p>And running around 26f/28r psi on the LAS with no pinch flats. Especially after bottoming out every lap on the root section at Nittany Cross last year. </p>
<p>Check it here---- <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.stickboybike.com/2013/09/product-testing-clement-cycling-las.html?q=clement" target="_blank">Product testing: Clement Cycling- LAS clincher cyclocross tires.</a></p>
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<p>I hope this is of some help to you!</p>