tubular tape - Cyclocross Magazine2024-03-29T00:56:16Zhttps://cowbell.cxmagazine.com/forum/topics/tubular-tape?commentId=1198434%3AComment%3A150215&feed=yes&xn_auth=noAll the tape does is take up…tag:cowbell.cxmagazine.com,2013-11-19:1198434:Comment:1502962013-11-19T21:59:20.513ZCraig MacIntyrehttps://cowbell.cxmagazine.com/profile/CraigMacIntyre
<p>All the tape does is take up space and add gluing surface. If you have a wide rim and don't run sub 20# you can probably not use it. I have seen rolled tires that were taped so there is a lot to be said for just doing it right.</p>
<p>All the tape does is take up space and add gluing surface. If you have a wide rim and don't run sub 20# you can probably not use it. I have seen rolled tires that were taped so there is a lot to be said for just doing it right.</p> Or use tire lever - takes a b…tag:cowbell.cxmagazine.com,2013-11-19:1198434:Comment:1504472013-11-19T21:58:07.963ZCraig MacIntyrehttps://cowbell.cxmagazine.com/profile/CraigMacIntyre
<p>Or use tire lever - takes a bit more work to get started but less risk of damage.</p>
<p>Or use tire lever - takes a bit more work to get started but less risk of damage.</p> I have found that you HAVE to…tag:cowbell.cxmagazine.com,2013-11-19:1198434:Comment:1504112013-11-19T21:57:22.573ZCraig MacIntyrehttps://cowbell.cxmagazine.com/profile/CraigMacIntyre
<p>I have found that you HAVE to take them off annually to guaranty that they will come off. Once the glue sets up hard they are a PITA. For using sealant, the best combo I have found is Stan's in Clement PDX's. No tubes in no tubes ... ;)</p>
<p>I have found that you HAVE to take them off annually to guaranty that they will come off. Once the glue sets up hard they are a PITA. For using sealant, the best combo I have found is Stan's in Clement PDX's. No tubes in no tubes ... ;)</p> The wheels are off brand carb…tag:cowbell.cxmagazine.com,2013-11-18:1198434:Comment:1501242013-11-18T18:26:51.340Zdavid taylorhttps://cowbell.cxmagazine.com/profile/davidtaylor
The wheels are off brand carbons. Got a pair of limus for the soft , muddy conditions which predominate upstate ny
The wheels are off brand carbons. Got a pair of limus for the soft , muddy conditions which predominate upstate ny No, plenty of people probably…tag:cowbell.cxmagazine.com,2013-11-18:1198434:Comment:1502812013-11-18T18:07:54.364ZBSUdudehttps://cowbell.cxmagazine.com/profile/JustinSorber
<p>No, plenty of people probably do this. However a well glued cross tube is going to be hard to get off, and Belgian tape will make this even more difficult. With either method it's going to take some skill and patience to get the tubular off while keeping it in a condition to be reused/reglued for the following season, if that's what you're suggesting. At the very least you'd probably have to get new basetape, which can be done fairly inexpensively via tirealert. What wheels are you…</p>
<p>No, plenty of people probably do this. However a well glued cross tube is going to be hard to get off, and Belgian tape will make this even more difficult. With either method it's going to take some skill and patience to get the tubular off while keeping it in a condition to be reused/reglued for the following season, if that's what you're suggesting. At the very least you'd probably have to get new basetape, which can be done fairly inexpensively via tirealert. What wheels are you gluing up?</p>
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<p>Personally my cross wheels are just that, cross wheels. On the road I ride clinchers and a powertap hub and my cross wheels are just white industries hubs to hed belgium rims. If I had a set of 303s or ENVEs for cross I could see how someone would want to get more use out of them.</p> It's true, tape is not necess…tag:cowbell.cxmagazine.com,2013-11-18:1198434:Comment:1502152013-11-18T17:59:27.628ZJohn Verheulhttps://cowbell.cxmagazine.com/profile/JohnVerheul
<p>It's true, tape is not necessary. The purpose of it is to substitute for several layers of glue, which makes the whole gluing job take less time and be more convenient. Tape is worth 2-3 coats of glue, meaning you only need an additional 3-4 on the tire & rim (combined). If you glue a 'cross tire without tape, you generally need a minimum of 6 layers total (direct quote from Tom Hopper, who used to work for a 'cross team I coached, now he's Jeremy Powers' mechanic). So the tape is mostly…</p>
<p>It's true, tape is not necessary. The purpose of it is to substitute for several layers of glue, which makes the whole gluing job take less time and be more convenient. Tape is worth 2-3 coats of glue, meaning you only need an additional 3-4 on the tire & rim (combined). If you glue a 'cross tire without tape, you generally need a minimum of 6 layers total (direct quote from Tom Hopper, who used to work for a 'cross team I coached, now he's Jeremy Powers' mechanic). So the tape is mostly a time saver. I've raced on pure glue jobs as well as glue/tape, and never rolled a tire, but I've used tape the last couple years as a time saver (I have 4 sets of 'cross wheels and not a lot of extra time).</p>
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<p>This is a good instructional piece on gluing tubulars for 'cross, BTW. Zanc goes through why he does each step, so you understand why each of them are important.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.embrocationmagazine.com/online/how-to-gluing-cx-tubulars">http://www.embrocationmagazine.com/online/how-to-gluing-cx-tubulars</a></p>
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<p>As to whether to re-purpose a tubular wheel between cx and road, it's definitely possible...but it's also a lot of work. Road tires only require 2-4 layers of glue to be well glued, anything extra only adds rolling resistance. Tape definitely adds rolling resistance, due to the "sponginess". Testing on rollers has confirmed that. So then you're looking at not only peeling the tire after 'cross season (and likely ruining the tire if you did a good glue job), but also removing a lot of glue just to make the rim suitable for road tire use. For most of us, it's easier just to have different sets of wheels for road and cx.</p>
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<p>Gluing using cx methods is overkill for the road, BTW, as the earlier poster found out. Makes it nearly impossible to remove the tire, which you really need for 'cross, but you don't need on the road (where higher pressures and smaller casings result in tires staying on rims much better).</p>
<p></p> So it seems like you dedicate…tag:cowbell.cxmagazine.com,2013-11-18:1198434:Comment:1502802013-11-18T17:43:04.091Zdavid taylorhttps://cowbell.cxmagazine.com/profile/davidtaylor
So it seems like you dedicate the rim to that one tube.<br />
Would it be stupid to think of having a cross tube for the fall and changing it formanother tube for the road in the spring?
So it seems like you dedicate the rim to that one tube.<br />
Would it be stupid to think of having a cross tube for the fall and changing it formanother tube for the road in the spring? +1 on not using tape on alumi…tag:cowbell.cxmagazine.com,2013-11-18:1198434:Comment:1503792013-11-18T17:31:15.448ZBSUdudehttps://cowbell.cxmagazine.com/profile/JustinSorber
<p>+1 on not using tape on aluminum rims. Layer the glue correctly and you don't need tape. More than likely your tire will fail before your glue job if you glue correctly.</p>
<p>+1 on not using tape on aluminum rims. Layer the glue correctly and you don't need tape. More than likely your tire will fail before your glue job if you glue correctly.</p> If you are using carbon rims,…tag:cowbell.cxmagazine.com,2013-11-15:1198434:Comment:1501842013-11-15T14:34:03.776ZCharles Southhttps://cowbell.cxmagazine.com/profile/CharlesSouth502
<p>If you are using carbon rims, tape is highly recommended. If they are Aluminium then glue is fine. To remove a tire that has been taped is hard. A small screw driver can be carefully inserted under the tire after you work it loose a bit. Then you can roll the screwdriver to free the tire. Takes a bit of time, but if done carefully you will not damage the tire or rim.</p>
<p>If you are using carbon rims, tape is highly recommended. If they are Aluminium then glue is fine. To remove a tire that has been taped is hard. A small screw driver can be carefully inserted under the tire after you work it loose a bit. Then you can roll the screwdriver to free the tire. Takes a bit of time, but if done carefully you will not damage the tire or rim.</p> The Thorne tape is sold at cy…tag:cowbell.cxmagazine.com,2013-11-15:1198434:Comment:1500822013-11-15T02:35:33.453ZTom Purcellhttps://cowbell.cxmagazine.com/profile/TomPurcell
<p>The Thorne tape is sold at cyclocrossworld.com. Great stuff! Be careful what you wish for, though. I have a set of tubulars(road) and used the 'Belgian Method." I got a flat; even though I had a spare, I could not get that tire off - not even a tiny bit. I finally had to use a heat gun and a pair of channel locks at work. By the way, it was the front tire, and the Cafelatex sealant didn't work. The tires were Challenge Parigi Roubaix; the best tubulars out there. But unless you have a…</p>
<p>The Thorne tape is sold at cyclocrossworld.com. Great stuff! Be careful what you wish for, though. I have a set of tubulars(road) and used the 'Belgian Method." I got a flat; even though I had a spare, I could not get that tire off - not even a tiny bit. I finally had to use a heat gun and a pair of channel locks at work. By the way, it was the front tire, and the Cafelatex sealant didn't work. The tires were Challenge Parigi Roubaix; the best tubulars out there. But unless you have a mechanic to f**k with the tires/wheels, and are prepared to walk home when you get a flat, store up a big pile of karma. Tubulars are worth the initial effort, and even I can feel the benefits. But when they go bad, unlike Mae West, they don't get better.</p>